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Traveller-digest     Monday, December 27 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1588<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
RE: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re Image Formats<BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
Re: Off Topic  - Re: winning, losing, and not winning wars (was  re: England)<BR>
Re: Texas and Traveller<BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
[none]<BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: <BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:36:41 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> I don't really think current theories are wrong, but IMO it is utterly<BR>
> irrelevant in this case, because correcting the mistake (if it is a mistake)<BR>
> will tear long holes in the Traveller background and reduce its usefulness.<BR>
> I LIKE having most of the various human races interfertile. If you accept<BR>
> that _Homo sapiens_ hadn't evolved yet 300,000 years ago, then NONE of the<BR>
> descendants of _Homo antiquitus_ would be interfertile with the Solomani.<BR>
> (Well, I suppose you could invoke the Ancients, but IMO they are getting<BR>
> rather overworked already. Besides, we know from canon that different<BR>
> Ancients 'ran' different human populations. Why in the world would some of<BR>
> them build in a genetic code that would allow Solomani, Darrians, Vilani,<BR>
> and other groups to evolve to a form that would be interfertile with the<BR>
> rest?).<BR>
><BR>
> All the available in-game evidence show that _Homo antiquitus_ was already<BR>
> _Homo sapiens_. If the Real World don't like that, I think the Real World<BR>
> should take a hike.<BR>
<BR>
Actually, it doesn't matter. You see, after 300,000 years of<BR>
*differing* selection pressures, the odds are that no matter *what*<BR>
species you started with, more than a few of the enclaves would no<BR>
longer be interfertile with the others. <BR>
<BR>
It doesn't *matter* which species you started with. And remember, we<BR>
don't know if *time* seperated "species" such as Homo sapiens and Homo<BR>
erectus would be interfertile.<BR>
<BR>
Also, keep in mind that after 2-3 *million* years of (genetic)<BR>
seperation, it's thought that humans and chimps may be interfertile.<BR>
Nobody's had the guts to try it, given the ethical and moral dilemmas<BR>
posed.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:28:33 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com> wrote in message<BR>
> news:991225.150455.8p2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com...<BR>
>> In mail you write:<BR>
>><BR>
>> > Good point Leonard, but by the time I even knew what OS/2 was or could<BR>
>> > afford to buy an operating system, it was already dead and buried.<BR>
><BR>
> Gee, he must have only just learned what an operating system is then. I<BR>
> wonder why he knows about Amiga, seeing as they died long before OS/2....<BR>
><BR>
>> Funny, IBM still sells it.<BR>
><BR>
> Not to the public.<BR>
> They will sell it to existing users that require new licences, but it is not<BR>
> commercially available anymore.<BR>
<BR>
Sorry, but I *bought* a copy back in Feb. From a wholesale outlet.<BR>
<BR>
> The reason they don't work with OS/2 is the crappy implementation of OS/2s<BR>
> support for Windows<BR>
> Read Andrew Shulman's articles on the subject in Dr. Dobbs  for details, but<BR>
> basically, the OS/2 executive patched the live copy of win.exe on the fly<BR>
> (in memory) to get it to work under OS/2<BR>
<BR>
OS/2 Warp 3 *red* may have done that. Warp 3 *blue* used code based on<BR>
source from MS. Warp 4 was based on that. <BR>
<BR>
> Obviously, this means that even a recompile of  win.exe, let alone an actual<BR>
> rewrite could break OS./2 's support for it<BR>
<BR>
Given that Warp 4 has it's *own* Win.exe, your assertions are ludicrous.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:19:32 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
Just wondering, what is the scientific name for Neanderthals?<BR>
<BR>
I was watching an interesing show on TLC or Discovery the other night that<BR>
dealt with the end of the Neanderthals. Recent evidence (skeletons etc...)<BR>
as<BR>
pretty much ended the debate as to what happened to them. Seems like they<BR>
were assimilated into Homosapiens.<BR>
So, if Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals can interbreed as is now strongly<BR>
suggested<BR>
what are the chances that all the humans can interbreed in the 3I?<BR>
<BR>
Just a notion<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:40:17 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
I was first introduced to computers back in 1982, when I was in a Chemistry<BR>
Lab at a local High School watching the teacher play some game on an<BR>
Apple ][ that had you try to land on the moon according to vectors, courses<BR>
and fuel Vs thrust.  I watched for a while then tried it myself.  Mind you,<BR>
I had never seen a computer before so at best it was just an oddity.  I<BR>
ended up getting the thrust vector wrong and was informed by the program<BR>
that I had added myself as a new and rather large crater in the moon's<BR>
surface.  Frak!  Later that month I saw the teacher listing the commands for<BR>
that game (program listing in Applesoft BASIC) and I remember looking at all<BR>
that strange code and thinking, "I'll never understand whatever that is in a<BR>
million years".  I left and the experience was soon way in the back of my<BR>
mind, mainly forgotten.<BR>
<BR>
My next experience with a computer was 2 years later when a math teacher<BR>
gave the class an assignment to write a simple program on a TRS-80 computer<BR>
that would place a character somewhere on the screen.  I still didn't really<BR>
think about these 'things' yet so I treated the assignment like any other<BR>
home work - I decided it sucked before I started.  :)  However, as I began<BR>
doing the assignment, and actually having to learn this weird code,<BR>
something else inside me was lighting a little spark.  Pretty soon the<BR>
assignment was fun.  I started doing other things like trying to make it<BR>
move on the screen.  But when the assignment was over, I was still thinking<BR>
about it.  Next week the teacher received an Apple ][+ which sat in a small<BR>
room at the back of the classroom.  I started staying later after class to<BR>
tinker with it.  Soon I was writing programs and reverse-engineering other<BR>
people's programs to learn how to make this machine do things.  Man that was<BR>
an exciting time for me - learning how to make this odd machine do whatever<BR>
I wanted it to do.  I soon spent hours after school programming on that old<BR>
Apple ][+.  the teacher trusted me so I was allowed to stay until late at<BR>
night.  The only other computer experience I had at this time was the<BR>
Teletype terminal in the School's Work Resource Area.  It connected to a<BR>
WAIS known as the Washington Occupational Information Service.  I used this<BR>
to determine a schedule of study for the future.  One time my girlfriend got<BR>
a hold of the tele-terminal while I was making some copies.  She didn't know<BR>
what a computer was, just that it responded when you typed to it.  So, being<BR>
a typical girl, she started telling the terminal to ask me out.  She was<BR>
non-plussed when it gave it's default response :  Huh?  I'm not sure I<BR>
understand you fully.  Please respond with a Yes, No or Maybe.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, by now the computer bug had bit me really good and I became obsessed<BR>
with them.  I would skip classes and stay until 11pm at night, just<BR>
programming.  Nothing elaborate, just tiny little things that did stuff like<BR>
draw on the screen or make text files on disk.  After I graduated, I bought<BR>
a Commodore Vic-20 from a friend.  I remember not really taking it seriously<BR>
because I was used to ASCII terminals like the Apple ][ and the Vic's<BR>
characters looked like something from pre-school.  But it was a computer so<BR>
I learned on it.  After 2-3 years, I got a hold of a Hewlett-Packard 125<BR>
running C/PM which had  BASIC interpreter software similar to GWBASIC, but<BR>
with a totally different ANSI code system.  I programmed on this until 1988,<BR>
when I got a Hewlett-Packard 150 using HP's version of DOS pre 3.0.  It ran<BR>
the same BASIC as the HP-125.  I later switched to the Commodore-64 when I<BR>
got one and primarily used it to run my BBS.<BR>
<BR>
My first Operating System was the Amiga's Kickstart back in 1990.  At the<BR>
time I didn't understand DOS commands (or their Amiga counterparts).<BR>
Previously I had used BASIC on a TRS-80 level 1, an Apple ][, Vic-20 and<BR>
Commodore Pet as well as the C-64.  I had briefly in 1986 booted an IBM PCjr<BR>
into "cassette BASIC" (it's default when no disk was present).  So I only<BR>
used my Amiga for a games machine.  I wanted to run my BBS off it but didn't<BR>
really understand all the odd references a friend of mine made about needing<BR>
to make "sub-directories" for the BBS software.  Up until this point my only<BR>
experience had been with either programming simple things in BASIC or<BR>
running the Ivory BBS software on my Commodore-64.  I had purchased the<BR>
Amiga thinking it was going to be just like the C-64 only faster and more<BR>
powerful.  When I discovered it wasn't, I was pretty disappointed.  Here was<BR>
this weird GUI with icons and stuff.  :)  I went back to the C-64 for most<BR>
of my serious computing and left the Amiga500 for games and Demos.  In 1992<BR>
my brother gave me a Hewlett-Packard Vectra 286 running at MHz with a<BR>
special HP DOS 3.0 and some weird Hewlett-Packard software running on top<BR>
like Desqview.  With the help of a buddy with another 286 (who was a lot<BR>
more DOS savvy than I was), I learned DOS in about 2-3 hours.  After all,<BR>
it's a lot simpler than BASIC.  Suddenly making DIRs, copying and moving<BR>
files, etc, seemed second nature, almost as easy as breathing.<BR>
<BR>
The 286 only had an old Seagate 40meg hard drive running off an MFM<BR>
controller card.  The drive was the first to go.  Since the BIOS on the<BR>
motherboard was so proprietary and outdated, a replacement drive had to come<BR>
with a controller card with onboard BIOS for the new hard drive (131megs).<BR>
So I learned how to do things like setting BIOS and configuring devices in<BR>
DOS/CMOS.  All we used back then was DOS and my buddy and I scoffed at<BR>
windows, vowing never to use it.  How we used to snicker when we heard<BR>
people talking about Windows 3.0..:)   If we used a GUI at all, we used this<BR>
program called QuickMenu.  Then of course, I got windows 3.1 with my next<BR>
computer which was a 386sx33.  Suddenly I was in the Windows world.  I still<BR>
wasn't sold on windows yet and did most of my work in DOS.  Then I upgraded<BR>
to a 486 and by that time lots of cool stuff was coming out for Windows so I<BR>
found myself using DOS less.  Then in 1995, I built my first Pentium system.<BR>
I formatted the hard drive and bought Windows 95 (upgrade version) and<BR>
installed it.  I've been using '95 since.  However I quickly learned that<BR>
the OEM version  (2.5) was a lot more stable than that crap they pass along<BR>
to the general public.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway Frank, sorry for being so long-winded, but I wanted you to have some<BR>
idea where I was coming from when it came to OS's.  I realize that many on<BR>
this list have been more fortunate than I in their computer experiences<BR>
(some having Unix backgrounds, etc) but I don't think I am doing too poorly<BR>
given my history with computers.  I learned what I could fairly quickly and<BR>
often fixed problems that support techs couldn't help me with.  So cut me<BR>
some slack about being an OS-newbie, ok?  :)<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 7:25 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com> wrote in message<BR>
> news:991225.150455.8p2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com...<BR>
> > In mail you write:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > > Good point Leonard, but by the time I even knew what OS/2 was or could<BR>
> > > afford to buy an operating system, it was already dead and buried.<BR>
><BR>
> Gee, he must have only just learned what an operating system is then. I<BR>
> wonder why he knows about Amiga, seeing as they died long before OS/2....<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:36:40 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
>From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
>Subject: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for that excellent compilation.  We should<BR>
remember that it's a game of skill as well as luck. <BR>
Many of us would have been splorted if we'd drunk<BR>
first and then read, instead of vice-versa.  (I've<BR>
read many of those near-hit posts, but collecting them<BR>
would be even more above and beyond the call of duty<BR>
than you've gone.)<BR>
<BR>
I'm surprised that December, the last month in the<BR>
study, has the most kills.  You'd think we'd have<BR>
learned not to drink before reading.  <BR>
<BR>
Now where do I go to download my splort sticker?<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
__________________________________________________<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:38:49 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: GDWGAMES@aol.com [mailto:GDWGAMES@aol.com]<BR>
> <BR>
> In Re Purina puppy chow, etc.: One of the funniest things I <BR>
> ever saw was a <BR>
> worker in a zoo feeding a lion by slitting open a huge <BR>
> plastic tube of a <BR>
> sausage-like stuff and tossing it into the cage. The wrapper <BR>
> said "Purina <BR>
> Carnivore Chow" <BR>
> <BR>
> I don't know why it seemed to funny at the time. <BR>
<BR>
Purina Mills makes hundreds of types of Purina * Chow, mainly for zoos, etc.<BR>
<BR>
For example:<BR>
<BR>
Purina Rodent Lab Chow<BR>
Purina Horse Chow<BR>
Purina Deer Chow<BR>
Purina Goat Chow<BR>
Purina Monkey Chow <BR>
Purina Monkey Chow Jumbo<BR>
Purina Ferret Chow<BR>
Purina Trout Chow<BR>
Purina Cow Chow  (small change in the formula produces Purina K'kree Chow)<BR>
Purina Nurse Chow (No!  It's for nursing baby cows)<BR>
Purina High Octane Hog Chow (for your Harley)<BR>
<BR>
Much of the really exotic chows are being sold under the Mazuri name<BR>
(www.mazuri.com).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
vargr1                                                   UPP-8D9B85<BR>
- ---------------------------- Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina.<BR>
Meyers-Briggs personality type: ENTJ                vargr1@jcn1*com<BR>
"...the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with."      dmoody@bridge*com<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:49:15 -0500<BR>
From: "Swordy \(Colin Michael\)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
I wish to offer my sincerest apologies for any unintentional destruction I<BR>
may have caused.  As my number one New Years 2000 resolution I pledge to<BR>
cease and desist humorous posts.  To achieve this goal I shall run all of my<BR>
TML messages through my handy "Leonardizer", which is guaranteed to strip<BR>
out any references to topics that are not deadly serious.  There is,<BR>
however, a fifty-fifty chance that this will cause my posts to come through<BR>
empty.<BR>
<BR>
To make up for my past offenses, I am offering a "keyboard credit" to those<BR>
who have lost a keyboard due to my carelessness.  Turn in your keyboard<BR>
receipts to The Traveller Trader ( http://www.downport.com/ttt/ ) for full<BR>
credit toward Traveller publications of your choice.<BR>
<BR>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<BR>
Colin Michael, WebDev<BR>
www.downport.com<BR>
The Traveller Domain<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Black ICE" <wombat@premier.net><BR>
> 02 Dec 99 Jeff Zeitlin Swordy (Colin Michael)<BR>
> 12 Dec 99 Dom Mooney Swordy (Colin Michael)<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:39:04 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
><BR>
>> Not really. For one thing, because there is no "common vector<BR>
>>format". There *certainly* isn't one for web graphics. The only<BR>
>>*attempt* at one is the folks who have ported RIP (formerly a format<BR>
>>for BBS screens) to a web browser add-on.<BR>
><BR>
> Really? Cool! Does this add-on still exist? If so, what browser does it work<BR>
> with? I miss RIP, and I was just thinking a few weeks ago that I'd love to<BR>
> see something similar for webpages.<BR>
<BR>
I think they may have had both Netscape and IE versions. <BR>
<BR>
I think the web site is www.telegrafix.com<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:53:46 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Image Formats<BR>
<BR>
>I never use it, as jpg is so much better for most pictures.<BR>
><BR>
>Those that recommend GIF for line drawings miss the point, any line drawing<BR>
>is better rendered using a vector format anyway.<BR>
><BR>
GIF and PNG both are there to fill a gap that is not filled: downloadable<BR>
display graphics.<BR>
<BR>
For web pages, GIFs are often far more flexible than JPG's. GIF's can be<BR>
made in 1, 2, 4, or 8 bit, in a variety of sizes. They are generally fairly<BR>
low in overhead. They include a pallate of colors, and so are flexible. The<BR>
are bitmapped, and so can be displayed with minimal processor cycles.<BR>
<BR>
It takes about 2 times longer to display a .jpg as a .GIF on most machines<BR>
I've worked with; I've not seen ANY vector formats supported by stock<BR>
browsers.[1] Heck, the only vector formats I've seen discussed that I can<BR>
open are .ps and .pdf; both are slow.<BR>
<BR>
[1] by stock, I mean AS IT INSTALLS. No plug ins from ohter packages. Yeah,<BR>
NS and IE, with the acrbat plug, will display acrobat pdfs....<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:59:37 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us><BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
<BR>
> After our recent thread on the above subject, one of the more<BR>
> interesting and sometimes evil posters to the 2300 AD list provided<BR>
> me with the following to include in a project I was working on for<BR>
> passengers and cargo in 2300.<BR>
> <BR>
> I think Ben Levy is an engineer in real life, and sometimes he scares me<BR>
> with the material he submits to my website.<BR>
<BR>
<<Snipped excellent table of passenger quirks>><BR>
<BR>
Wow!  Thanks, Thomas, for that great table of ideas and possible<BR>
adventure scenarios involving strange and bizzare passengers. Be sure <BR>
to thank Ben for us. I'm sure a number of these can be expanded into <BR>
some very interesting scenarios. Now, if I can just get a game <BR>
going...  :(<BR>
<BR>
BTW, are you going to post this on your website or something? <BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Jason<BR>
<BR>
=============================<BR>
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(512)458-7111 ext. 3375<BR>
Internet Address:  jason.kemp@tdh.state.tx.us<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:00:58 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Off Topic  - Re: winning, losing, and not winning wars (was  re: England)<BR>
<BR>
At 09:23 pm 12/25/99 -0400, you wrote:<BR>
>At 05:47 PM 12/24/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>>At 02:26 pm 12/24/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>>>Booth killed Lincoln in 1865, just after the war was<BR>
>>>over.  Lincoln did not have time to set up the iron<BR>
>>>thumb (although his field commanders, occupying the<BR>
>><BR>
>>	I'm not a historian, but I thought it was *Lincoln* who wanted<BR>
>>reconciliation and rebuilding, and the rest of the party that<BR>
wanted<BR>
>>vengeance. Killing Lincoln probably made things *worse* for the<BR>
South<BR>
>>...<BR>
>><BR>
>        Off Topic.<BR>
>        2 minutes in the "no keyboard penalty box".<BR>
<BR>
	'Kay. It's been two days now, can I come back?<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:06:37 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Texas and Traveller<BR>
<BR>
At 01:09 pm 12/26/99 -0600, Thomas Vickers wrote:<BR>
>2) The Government is hiding UFO's in the desert.<BR>
<BR>
	OK, who found out and where do I send the cleanup crew?<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:08:05 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
At 02:24 pm 12/26/99 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>On 12/26/99 at 01:56 PM,  Black ICE <wombat@premier.net> said:<BR>
><BR>
>>Here are a couple I'm fond of:<BR>
><BR>
>>General Norman Schwantzkopf, Imperial Army<BR>
><BR>
>What's the English translation of Schwartzkopf?<BR>
<BR>
	Blackhead.<BR>
<BR>
	(The translation of the mispelled name in the original post relies<BR>
on a slang expression for the male sexual apparatus ...)<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:11:56 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
At 12:18 am 12/27/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>From: <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>> >General Norman Schwantzkopf, Imperial Army<BR>
>><BR>
>> What's the English translation of Schwartzkopf?<BR>
><BR>
>Literally "black head", although Schwantzkopf would be "snake head",<BR>
or as<BR>
<BR>
	"Tail head" -- schwantz is tail, schlange is snake.<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:18:55 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> I think they may have had both Netscape and IE versions. <BR>
> <BR>
> I think the web site is www.telegrafix.com<BR>
<BR>
Got it Leonard, thanks muchly!<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:20:00 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
From: David J. Golden <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> "Tail head" -- schwantz is tail, schlange is snake.<BR>
<BR>
Ach! I got my schwantz and schlange tied. My apologies.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:17:47 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
BTW, are you going to post this on your website or something?<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Jason<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Yep,<BR>
It is part of my pages concerning cargo contents and passengers for 2300 AD,<BR>
so it<BR>
will be up later this week, I will post the url if you want.<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:31:41 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
Last post, as it is getting a bit off topic BUT! I do have a tie-in<BR>
to make...<BR>
<BR>
>> And I won't even get into the Redhat vs SuSe vs<BR>
>> Caldera/gcc vs egcs/libc5 vs glibc/Gnome vs KDE/etc./etc. issues.<BR>
><BR>
>No reason to do so anyway, that's like arguing  Netscape/IE    or<BR>
Word/Word<BR>
>Perfect , it's a users choice.<BR>
<BR>
	Very big reason to, as it has a strong effect on later choices.<BR>
Choosing a distribution affects the very layout of files on your<BR>
filesystem, as they *are* different. It also affects what other<BR>
software is installed besides the kernel itself, and how it's<BR>
configured. Not only does this affect something as simple as figuring<BR>
out where your log files are, it also impacts installing new<BR>
software--files may not be where the author expected them, and<BR>
third-party software the author relied on may not be present. GCC vs<BR>
egcs and libc vs glibc both critically affect your ability to install<BR>
precompiled binaries, as they are *not* completely compatible. Or do<BR>
users now need to be able to compile all their own apps? Yes, various<BR>
distribution formats are making this easier ... but still not as easy<BR>
(for Joe Public) as inserting an AutoRun (*gag*) CD into WinXX.<BR>
<BR>
	And every time somebody tries to propose setting "standards" for<BR>
Linux, all hades breaks loose. Some have gotten through, but I<BR>
remember some fairly upset letters to Linux Journal this past year<BR>
after they ran an article about standards efforts<BR>
<BR>
>> Do  you *really* think your average user is going to be able to<BR>
sort that<BR>
>> out?<BR>
><BR>
>They *really* don't need to.  Your average user can't install or<BR>
set-up<BR>
>anything on Windows anyway, they just need to use the system.<BR>
Windows is not<BR>
>easier to _use_, they have the same learning curve.<BR>
><BR>
>> All he/she wants to do is plug in a CD, and go.<BR>
><BR>
>The average user can't even manage this under Windows anyway.<BR>
<BR>
	Most users can, in fact, manage to install new software. Otherwise<BR>
CompUSA would go out of business, as the only software anybody would<BR>
use it what comes preinstalled. And this is exactly where the lack of<BR>
a *single* standard comes into ugly play.<BR>
<BR>
	Mind you, I think we're sounding like the choir squabbling in the<BR>
back of church, as I'm a very fervent fan of Linux and the whole open<BR>
source idea. I just don't think it's quite there yet.<BR>
<BR>
	OBTRAV: Yes, I promised one, and this one should be obvious ...<BR>
installing new software into your Type/S had better be *much* easier<BR>
in the future. You're certainly not going to take it all the way back<BR>
to the original world of manufacture, nor will your average crew be<BR>
able to write an entire flight control package from scratch. And a<BR>
monolithic design like WinBlows (or Wince ...) certainly won't cut<BR>
the mustard.<BR>
<BR>
	Think of all the fun you could have ... let your players hear about<BR>
some new software gewgaw they might like. Maybe Planet X's forte is<BR>
offensive software (not that kind, that's simply a matter of taste),<BR>
and the crew thinks they can just plug in a new version of Predict to<BR>
get an extra 20% of performance, while cutting usage by 10%. Only it<BR>
just doesn't go that easy ... *Really* devious refs will let them<BR>
THINK it went that easy ...<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:31:39 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Writes:<BR>
>Not really. For one thing, because there is no "common vector format".<BR>
>There *certainly* isn't one for web graphics. The only *attempt* at one<BR>
>is the folks who have ported RIP (formerly a format for BBS screens) to<BR>
>a web browser add-on.<BR>
><BR>
Would you happen to know the location of a rip plug for the mac? And, if<BR>
so, then I'd be looking for a RIP generator.<BR>
<BR>
I know that RipTerm did more than just graphics... it was a wonderful tool<BR>
for BBS's, but it didn't really catch on (at least locally) since it<BR>
required rip enabled server and client software... And RIPTerm really blew<BR>
for non-rip sites.<BR>
<BR>
For the non-initiated, various RipTerm boards allowed several methods of<BR>
operation, including: DL Graphics on demand; "Front-End Files" which simply<BR>
downloaded specific content into a locally cahced front-end; and Front End<BR>
with auto-update on connect. One BBS I dealt with only supported the second<BR>
mode; you had to download the RT front-end files in order to get any RIP<BR>
materials. A few others only did Graphics on Demand, and so RIP connection<BR>
was slow! The graphics files themselves were compact vector images.<BR>
RipScript was a combined RIP Graphics and Ansi Text media for delivery of<BR>
content. The result was comparable  to HTML, but somewhat smoother.<BR>
However, it didn't support the range of file-types that HTML did.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:37:18 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
At 05:20 pm 12/27/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>From: David J. Golden <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>> "Tail head" -- schwantz is tail, schlange is snake.<BR>
><BR>
>Ach! I got my schwantz and schlange tied. My apologies.<BR>
<BR>
	Yoicks!<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:05:11 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: <BR>
<BR>
I tried Ripterm once, I was still using a 286 at the time and thought<BR>
Ripterm sucked.  (I was already set in my ways using the DOS version of<BR>
Telemate)<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
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___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
To: <traveller@mpgn.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 5:31 PM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> For the non-initiated, various RipTerm boards allowed several methods of<BR>
> operation, including: DL Graphics on demand; "Front-End Files" which<BR>
simply<BR>
> downloaded specific content into a locally cahced front-end; and Front End<BR>
> with auto-update on connect. One BBS I dealt with only supported the<BR>
second<BR>
> mode; you had to download the RT front-end files in order to get any RIP<BR>
> materials. A few others only did Graphics on Demand, and so RIP connection<BR>
> was slow! The graphics files themselves were compact vector images.<BR>
> RipScript was a combined RIP Graphics and Ansi Text media for delivery of<BR>
> content. The result was comparable  to HTML, but somewhat smoother.<BR>
> However, it didn't support the range of file-types that HTML did.<BR>
<BR>
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